God of War: Playing the Amalekite Card

If you have engaged in serious discussions with skeptics about God and the Old Testament, you know it won’t be long before someone will play the Amalekite card – and let’s be honest, it’s a game-changing card (read the  war texts in my previous post).  There’s a temptation to  fold at this point and hope that the next hand deals something better (“Hey, I know! Let’s talk about love!”). However, there is far more to the story (I should note her I am indebted to the writing of Christian apologists such as Paul Copan and Matthew Flannagan and organizations such as the Christian Think Tank).

As a teacher, I often have parents call me because their child came home with a tale of woe featuring my ineptitude as a teacher and my complete failure as a human being.  How else to explain that “D”?  I offer a perspective they did not hear from little Johnny.  More often than not (I’m not perfect), we resolve the situation pretty quickly.  It turns out there was more to the story than they initially heard.

We have a tendency to judge the actions of others before we fully appreciate the complexity or depth of the situation. That even applies when the ‘other’ is God and the ‘full story’ is actual world history.  As this series unfolds, I will attempt to reveal the context and complexity more clearly.  Let’s start with some observations about the Amalekite culture.

Historians agree with biblical history that the Amalekites were apparently outstandingly bad by any standard of that time. According to the biblical text, they had quite a track record:

“…in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.”  (Deuteronomy 12.31)

Note the issue was not merely that they worshipped their gods; all the nations around Israel served other gods, and they escaped judgment.  Egypt’s treatment of the Israelites was not ‘evil enough’ to warrant a war.  If God’s  only goal was to make every nation around Israel like Israel, he would have needed to attack everybody. The gods were not in and of themselves the issue.  Something unique was happening here.

In Leviticus 18, God gives a list of the things that had “defiled the land,” and for which He specifically was judging the inhabitants.  There were only two categories:  rampant sexual immortally (including beastiality and incest) and child sacrifice, both of which seem to be associated with temple prostitution and the worship rituals offered to their particular gods.  There are, of course, terrible consequences from incest:

“…delinquency, anxiety, regressive behaviors, nightmares, withdrawal from normal activities, internalizing and externalizing disorders, cruelty and self-injury, post-traumatic stress disorder, poor self-esteem, and age-inappropriate sexual behavior. A review of forty-five studies indicated two common patterns of psychological response to incest (Williams and Finkelhor 1993). The first are those associated with posttraumatic stress symptomology. The second is an increase in sexualized behaviors…

Long-term psychological sequelae of incest include depression, anxiety, psychiatric hospitalization, drug and alcohol use, suicidality, borderline personality disorder, somatization disorder, and eroticization (Schetky 1990; Silverman, Reinherz, and Giaconia 1996). Common, too, are learning difficulties, posttraumatic stress disorder, dissociative disorders and conversion reactions, running away, prostitution, re-victimization, poor parenting, and an increased likelihood of becoming a perpetrator.”

As for child sacrifice, you can find numerous sources online that quote this description:

“Its origin (human sacrifice) must be sought, evidently, in Canaanite culture. When a disaster was threatening Carthage, the inhabitants of the town decided it was due to the anger of Kronos, to whom they had formerly sacrificed their finest children: instead, they had begun to offer sickly children, or children they had bought. Thereupon, they sacrificed two hundred children from the noblest families. There was a bronze statue of Kronos with outstretched arms, and the child was placed on its hands and rolled into the furnace….Funerary jars have been found with the bodies of young children distorted by suffocation as they struggled for life after having been buried alive as a sacrifice to Canaanite gods. Such young children have been found in the foundation pillars of Canaanite houses…”

In addition, as soon as Israel escaped Egypt–before they could even ‘catch their breath’–the Amalekites made a long journey and attacked Israel. Their first targets were the helpless: “Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt.  When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God!” (Deuteronomy 25.17-19).

Historian Mike Woodruff notes, “ They were distant cousins of the Israelites who gained God’s ire by going out of their way to provoke him. They likely knew that the promise God had made was to bless everyone through the blessing of Israel, and they certainly heard of the way God was providing for the Jews; but the Amalekites did not fear God. Instead, they attacked the weakest of God’s people. After giving their promise not to attack, they waited for the Jewish slaves to file through their land on the way to Sinai and then attacked the stragglers—the sick, tired, and elderly. This actually became a bit of a pattern for the Amalekites. They preyed on the weak, and they never missed a chance to attack the Jews.”  

The behaviors we’ve looked at were not  widely shared by the other Ancient Near East cultures. This evil appears to have been specifically Canaanite/Amorite, and its recorded by both Christian and secular historians.  One writer noted: “By 1400 B.C. the Canaanite civilization and religion had become one of the weakest, most decadent, and most immoral cultures of the civilized world.”  Honestly, can you look at history and say these people didn’t have it coming? The Amalekites were particularly bad dudes. They preyed on the weak; they burnt their children alive; they worshipped their gods by engaging in ritualized incest and beastiality. They were in a league of their own.

I’m a fan of Lee Child’s series of books starring Jack Reacher.  Reacher is a former military policeman with a strong sense of justice who could probably snap me in half.  In every story, he finds himself in a situation where somebody has to do something to stop really bad guys from exploiting and using other people.  Nobody else is strong enough or capable enough, so Reacher steps in.  There is one book in particular in which he uncovers an organization of terrorists whose list of atrocities is disturbing to say the least. When Reacher stops that kind of evil (and he usually kills the people involved) we cheer for him not because we love violence and death, but because somebody needed to step up and put an end to that kind of evil.  We cheer for both justice and mercy will prevail: justice for the perpetrators, and mercy for those who suffered.

Certainly what happens in the Old Testament occurs on a larger scale, but I think the analogy holds. The people with whom the Israelites  dealt were causing far more destruction than than the villains in Lee Child’s literary world. Somebody needed to bring justice and mercy- and sometimes that means killing the perpetrators of evil to bring an end to the suffering of their victims.

Of course, if the Israelites committed atrocities of their own, that’s still a huge problem. Justice would have to fall on them as well.  We will address this more fully as we continue this series with ” God of War(ning) and Waiting.”

Question: If you don’t agree with God judging this culture in this way, is there ever a case where you would be glad to know that God said, “Enough”?

  • Lamar

    You essentially defend genocide by saying they deserved it.  Which is, in and of itself, not convincing.  But to establish that they deserved it, you use quotes that appear to be cherry picked from the internet and you provide scant attribution.  These quotes could be from some  published sermon where the preacher just made things up.  I would have expected better. 

    • http://sarcasticxtian.com/ Scott Smith

      Hey Lamar.

      I’ll let Anthony respond to your specific challenges, but you are using the word ‘genocide’ inaccurately. It may not have been intentional, but throwing that word out sounds unnecessarily inflammatory.

      In short, ‘genocide’ is the wholesale slaughter of a race based upon their race. What Anthony is describing is something different. He is referring to the consequences dealt to a group of people who committed egregious crimes. The fact that they all shared the same ethnicity is inconsequential.

      • Steve Ruble

        Hi Scott,

        Where did you acquire your definition of “genocide”? Are you familiar with the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide? Here’s the definition from that document:
        ————————————————-
        In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
        (a) Killing members of the group;
        (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
        (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
        (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
        (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
        ————————————————-
        Do you object to that definition? If so, why?

        • http://sarcasticxtian.com/ Scott Smith

          Sure Steve.

          Let’s say 5 Spartans killed a bus load of Canadians. The Canadians ordered the Spartans brought to justice. A Japanese tactical unit took out the Spartans. As it turns out, those were the last 5 Spartans alive. Was that genocide?

          (As Anthony said, it’s a moot point anyway. I only mentioned it because I don’t think it was proper to invoke genocide so quickly.)

          • Steve Ruble

            What? I don’t understand your point at all. The Convention says, “…acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” which doesn’t remotely match your scenario.

            And no, it’s not a moot point, because the claim that “genocide did not in fact occur” must inevitably depend on what genocide is. Is there any reason we should use your narrow, customized definition rather than the definition that forms a part of recognized international law?

          • Anthonyweber

            Steve, my argument will be that none of the UN’s descriptions apply to what happened in the Old Testament. I’m just not at the post yet in the series, but it should be up by the end of the week.

      • Lamar

         I stand by my use of the word.  And the slaughter of a whole tribe of people, women and children included hardly needs the use of the word genocide to inflame.  As I said above, I skeptically await an explanation that makes this behavior in any way moral or defensible under our current understanding of ethics. 

    • Anthonyweber

          1) Lamar, I will argue in the following posts that genocide did not in fact occur, so I’m not defending it at all.  I will get to that question soon in the process of these posts. Stay tuned :)
          2) I have been reading books and online articles for years and keeping notes on the side. Backtracking to my initial sources was harder than I thought it would be.  I embedded what  links I could throughout the article, but some of my sources were books I have regrettably forgotten.
            3) If by “cherry picked” you mean I didn’t use every quote out there, that’s true – but nobody does that. If you would show me that I am quoting inaccurately or citing lies (which you have not done),  I could better understand your criticism of them. For what it’s worth, none were taken from published sermons where preachers just made things up. 
          4) I cite Paul Copan and Matthew Flannagan as key writers on this issue. Their conclusions have attracted criticism, but both are at respected scholars in their field (click on the links in the article to read more about them).  In addition, here is  lengthy article from the Evangelical Philosophical Society (http://www.epsociety.org/library/articles.asp?pid=45), and you can listen to a debate between Copan and Norman Bacrac  here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idCch7fjO1k). 
          

      • Lamar

         I was too hard on you about not citing sources.  I cite even fewer sources in my articles and rely on my doctorate as sufficient authority to say the things that I say.  I will skeptically wait, however, for how you follow up on the suggestion that this account was anything other than the murderous tribalism of a semi-literate group that happened upon the genius of monotheism.  The Bible is better understood as a history of the evolution of our understanding of God, culminating in Jesus.  As they say when they try to minimize something awful: mistakes were made along the way.  And remember, it is the victors who write history.  So the account of the immorality of the enemy must always be suspect.  Without independent substantiation of all the accusations you mentioned, they can’t be supported.  However, that these things were pointed out as immoral is part of the evolution of an monotheistic ethic in which all individuals are loved by God.  A next step is discovering that killing people just because they don’t belong to your tribe (because God loves them too) is also immoral, but that takes a little longer.  The final step to finding that the moral stance is to turn the other cheek is revolutionary, indeed.

        • http://sarcasticxtian.com/ Scott Smith

          I believe the forthcoming installments will address many of the issues you’ve raised Lamar.

          One thing that stands out to me as odd though. Your characterization of the OT sounds like it is the imperfect and evolving ramblings of cavemen, but that it finally found its realization in Jesus being revealed as God. Yet Jesus saw the OT as containing actual history. How do you reconcile this?

  • Steve Ruble

    There are a bunch of problems with this assessment (I’ll list a few below) but I think the most interesting thing is the way that it inadvertently belies the claim that YHWH is the source and foundation of morality. If YHWH is the source of morality, then what he commands is good. Right? But that’s not the case you’re making here; you’re making the case that the Amalekites deserved to be punished, that destroying them would make the world a better place, that they poked the Israelites first, and so on. These arguments, as I’ll explain shortly, depend crucially on the simple claim that it’s OK for YHWH to say, “KILL!” and “CONQUER” and for his volk to go forth and do so; since that’s the case, why do you feel compelled to hide that claim beneath these excuses?

    Here’s what I mean: the Deut 25.17/1 Sam 15:2 arguments against the Amalekites (based on their attacks on Israel as they came out of Egypt) cannot be used to justify the Israelite genocide of the Amalekites hundreds of years later because the Israelites were aliens and invaders in the lands occupied by the Amalekites (for up to 40 years, can you dig it?). If it’s OK for the Israelites to drive off invaders of their lands, it’s OK for the Amalekites to do the same. The only way you can say it would be not OK is if there were some divine sanction for the Israelites’ invasive behavior.

    Another thing: the fact that the Amalekites allegedly sacrificed their own children cannot be used to justify the Israelite genocide of the Amalekites. It’s absurd to argue that the best way to stop the killing of Amalekite children is to try to kill all the Amalekite children. The only way this makes sense is if you’re willing to say that it’s OK to kill children when you think YHWH commands it, but not OK to kill children when you think some other god commands it. If you think that’s true, then go ahead and say it! If you think it’s right, claim it!

    A different aspect: it’s disturbing that you take the descriptions the Israelites give of the Amalekites so seriously. Don’t you know that those Jews are greedy liars who steal and eat Christian children and constantly work for the destruction of all that is good and true? Oh, wait, that’s not my opinion, that’s the opinion of a bunch of people who carried out a genocide against the Jews! People who try to commit genocide always paint their targets as vile creatures who deserve to die. But even this belies the idea that YHWH is the source of morals: if YHWH says they should die, no one who believes in him should need another reason to kill them. After all, “Jacob have I loved, and Esau have a hated,” amirite?

    Basically, my question is this: If YHWH had told Saul to go and kill all the Amalekites because it pleased YHWH for them to be dead, and we knew nothing else about the moral situation whatsoever, would you still say that it was good for YHWH to give that command, and good for Saul to carry it out? If you are willing to say that, then you should put aside the pretense that the moral context matters when evaluating the OT wars; if you’re not willing to say that, whence your ethical standards?

    • Anthonyweber

      First paragraph: Steve, I’m a little confused by what you think I am hiding.  I clearly said it is good for a just God to kill those who deserve death.  It’s been a pretty standard law enforcement technique for most of human history. 
      Second paragraph: You are responding to an argument I did not make.  I pointed out the cowardice of the Amalekites in attacking only the weak – a tactic they were known for throughout the Ancient Near East. I said nothing about who poked who, or who had what home.  

      Third paragraph: You are angered by an argument I did not and will not make.  My position will be clear in a post in the near future. Stay tuned :)

      Fourth paragraph: If you are that skeptical about historical records, you probably need to treat all historical texts in the same way.   All Roman, Greek, Mesoptamian, Egyptian history – discarded because it was written by the winners, right?  If that is you approach, I applaud your consistency.  If not, be fair with this text too.  
          I would note that  what the Bible records as characterizing their culture has confirmation in other sources.  Just because the Bible records historical data does not automatically mean it’s wrong. 

      Fifth paragraph:  My obvious point is that a “God’s eye view” of the big picture matters.   The incidences in the OT are purposeful: God was revealing something about Himself in the midst of those particular situations in a manner that was expected and understood by all cultures at that time. After the Old Testament time frame, that form of direct communication ended, as did the manner in which God made himself known to the world.  
           Because God no longer communicates in that way (and has not for 2,000+ years), and because none of us can see the big picture,  any Christians who have said or do say that they know God has ordered them to do something like that is tragically wrong. 

      • Steve Ruble

        First: Yes, I’m sure you believe it’s good for God to kill those who deserve death. But that point is blunted by the fact that to approve of the behavior of the OT God you must also believe that either a) it’s good for God to kill those who do not deserve death, or b) everyone deserves death, including women and children who bear no responsibility for the culture in which they live.

        Second: perhaps you don’t think you’re making that argument, but YHWH made it in 1 Sam 15:2. Also, if your source is correct, “…the Canaanite civilization and religion had become one of the weakest … cultures of the civilized world,” which would make the Israelites cowardly for invading and waging war against a bunch of weaklings.

        Third: I await your explanation.

        Fourth: I’m curious about these “other sources” which confirm the Bible’s assessment of the Amalekites. I haven’t been able to find them. Can you link me to some? In any case, it’s not that I’m skeptical about all historical accounts, it’s that I’m skeptical of descriptions of the oppressed by their oppressors. I don’t believe the Nazi stories about the Jews, the Confederate stories about Africans, the Hutu stories about the Tutsis, or the Israelites stories about the Amalekites, among many others. You don’t need to go back to ancient history to find people lying about the groups they dispise; it still happens in the modern world! It seems strange to deny the possibility that it happened in the OT.

        Fifth: I’m not sure that we’re talking about the same thing here. I’m glad that you don’t think it happens anymore, but do you think that it was moral for YHWH to send his chosen people to invade and conquer by the sword whichever lands he chose?

        • Anthonyweber

          I believe I will address all of these in the upcoming posts, so I will save my perspective until then. 

      • Steve Ruble

        Oops, I lost my train of thought in that last paragraph and merely restated my original question. What I had actually intended to say was this:

        I think it’s interesting that you appear to be defending a culturally relative moral code – the idea that some things are right for some people in some places and times, but wrong for other people in other places and times – while I seem to be defending something more like an objective standard - that it’s always wrong to deliberately commit genocide, and that wars of conquest are always unjustified. That’s an interesting change from our usual positions, don’t you think?

        • Anthonyweber

          It would be interesting if that were the case.  Justice is an objective good; the means by which justice is achieved may change.  Our own legal system shows this. We use fines, prisons, and jails.  One person may get a fine when another person does the same thing and goes to prison.  This happens because there is a big picture to the scenarios that a judge sees.  That does not make justice subjective; it does show that justice factors in extenuation circumstances and responds as needed.
              You seem to think I believe that genocide and wars of conquest are sometimes good and sometimes bad. As I noted, my unfolding explanation will hopefully alleviate this misconception.

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  • THOMAS

    I don’t know if this has been discussed in this thread….I think that the destruction of the Amalekites was a necessity because they were probably a extremely diseased people. Clearly, the engaging in rampant sexual atrocities like bestiality posed a grave health risk to not only the Israelites but all peoples within the region. Surely there were the issues of God reigning justice upon them for their crimes against Israel and probably many other nations. But think of the infections of sexually transmitted diseases from decadent practices. Why would God have the animals destroyed as well? They’re just animals right? Think about it. The animals had to be infected as well as the children born with incest-related diseases. It’s a horrible image but that’s what the destructive nature of violating God’s natural/spiritual laws regarding chastity. The Amalekites would pose a critical spiritual and physical health risk to its neighbors due to contagion not to mention the constant risk of war.

    • THOMAS

      When we look at the actions of God in relation to destroying His children (whomever/wherever they may be) we must take into account the consequences of sin in as contextually complete a manner as possible. There are many consequences to sin. Yes, many innocent children died and that is very, very sad. But it was the fault of their parents in incurring God’s wrath. Also, we can’t assume that the Amalekite women were any more innocent than the men. It’s not like the men were doing all the sinning and the women were trying to stop them. I can’t imagine that being the case. Children were being sacrificed horrifically to idols. Where were the moms? Right there making it happen with the men. Indeed, the women may have been more to blame given that men are “baser creatures” more easily given to sexually sin IMHO. Perhaps, the women were exercising unrighteous dominion over their men and encouraging the heinous behavior. It’s never as simple as we think it is. Just a thought.